gv_twiitterpated's thread inspired me a little
(maybe I should create a separate thread for my theories but if gv_twiitterpated doesnt mind), here's my
Masked Man's side thoughts/commentary/theories on the matter:
On eating/drinking.
Once for 2 weeks, I quarantined in same house because I was worried that person may have been exposed and when other person wasn't in room I would be in my mask microwaving food right before I ate it that may have been left out in the open briefly ..
....I'm not sure if that helped but given how many people get sick at restaurants together I would be willing to bet germs land on the food and dishes that's out in open so I nuked my food plate in microwave in private before hustling into private room to eat just in case.
I have read "As COVID cannot tolerate 70 ° C temperature, within this time, it can be eliminated from the food surface. The time requirement can be shortened by using high-power microwave ovens".
Besides covid I venture to say this thread applies to the art of dodging all airborne diseases. Airborne diseases contaminate surfaces and the germs live on those surfaces for different times depending on surface...
...I wear a mask and gloves outside when handling cardboard packaging from delivery guy even though delivery guy is not around because cardboard and sweaty delivery guy equals germs.. They are holding something heavy they are exerting themselves like an athlete breathing heavy...they hold boxes on their shoulder right by their faces too. Packaging can be a dirty Kleenex if someone is sick and they cough, sneeze, laugh, sputter, or breathe heavy on it.
On Cellphones theory,
Think about the cellphone out in the open people sticking their wet mouths on it breathing in it and holding a cellphone up to the side of their face while hanging onto a dirty grocery store cart or something..Its almost as bad as a baby pacifier... the scenarios are endless.Maybe you you wear a mask in a grocery store and use your cellphone around all these people texting and then you get in your car and stick the cellphone to your unmasked face..I mean think about contaminated surfaces and what you put in your face!
Also people touch their exposed faces, eyes, noses, and membranes all the time.
Remember: Airborne diseases also contaminate surfaces.
There are studies on this I read somewhere covid sticks on cardboard for an average amount of time and aluminum for another set amount of time.. so it stands to reason that it get in clothes and hair too. So don't breathe in your clothes... It probably gets on outside of mask's filter as well if exposed to people so ideally take rubbing alcohol and wipe the outside of your mask to kill the germs it trapped if you were around people. If your mask catches germs then it stands to reason the outside of your mask and that filter is highly dangerous. How can anybody argue otherwise with that? The airborne disease's germ virus doesn't just evaporate immediately.. it sticks on stuff and contaminates surfaces...at least that's what many studies seem to indicate and all sick people out there are indicating.Never take off your mask and lick the outside of it...lol..
..Let's say you get home from doctors office or are around the maskless...try to throw your clothes in the wash while leaving your mask on ..then wash your hands and body ..like the nape of your neck runs some soap through your hair.. leave your mask on then grab a little rubbing alcohol and get a little on the outside of your mask which trapped the germs.. then get behind your ears a little.. finally take off your mask then jump in shower and soap up.. then whew you are probably safe. lol.. just don't breathe in the outside of your mask because that's the filter that trapped the airborne particle.
On vehicles and more clothes theory,
I hate to disappoint people but don't take your mask off inside your car! If someone is in a room of sick people and their clothes or the outside of their mask gets contaminated I really think they shouldn't take their mask off in an enclosed area like inside their car inadvertently exposing themselves to their clothes or even the back of their mask. That's just my theory but if airborne diseases contaminates surfaces then its going to stay on the clothes and if you sit in a car and take your mask off you might sort of breathe in your clothes or touch your face...Your standing in line and there's a sick guy standing too close to you breathing down your back your car seat is going to get sick too...you know friction of clothes rubbing together or on another object probably sets some of the particles free into the air again..just the way clothing gets ruffled its like a dirty moist towl picks up germs like washcloth then ya plop down in a carseat creating a draft and air pockets that shoot and flap through your clothes right up through your collar germs flying everywhere ..in some way clothes are like wearing a dirty Kleenex with all their ruffles and the way it hangs and flows off the body... the fabric itself is almost like aa tight netting and a little filter that traps stuff wherever you go .... its like being in a room full of cigarette smoke and then you sit in your car that smoke permeates in your car and maybe viruses or germs are a little like that in that they don't just evaporate immediately on surfaces before disinfection cleansing or with anti bacterial soap can occur.
Think about logic.. wash your hands yeah.. but not wash your clothes!? clothes are just external skin or hides from other animals or a layer of fabric.. think it can't hold germs? of course clothes can hold germs!
I'm no doctor but I'm using the logic and the things that stand to reason from the scientific statement that airborne diseases contaminate surfaces. If airborne diseases contaminate surfaces like electron microscopes have proven then I think my theories about getting sick from contaminated objects should be considered as likely to be true.
“Empirical evidence also suggests that clothing can mediate the transport and transmission of airborne viruses. For instance, clothing accumulated inhalable and respirable particles (≤10 μm) from indoor air in experiments, which were then resuspended during typical human activities.Apr 11, 2022“
Here’s some statements that pack a punch :
“How long a virus survives on a surface depends on what type of virus it is, how warm or moist its surroundings are, and the type of surface it has contaminated. In general, influenza A viruses remain infectious for up to 4 hours, but rarely more than 9 hours, while cold viruses can remain infectious for up to 24 hours.Oct 10, 2024“
… so yeah straight from a crowded grocery store into your car breathe in those clothes may prove dangerous!
So I look up:
how long would covid last on cloth surface?
here the results:
"Able to be picked up on hands & transferred to your nose, mouth, and eyes, Not broken down quickly when the virus lands on surfaces in the environment. The virus can be on surfaces for hours: 3 hours (fabric and porous surfaces), 4 hours (copper and wood), 42 hours (metal) and 72 hours (plastic)"....
...So from this logic implies or it seems reasonable to assume that's long enough time to get sick from your clothes which are so close to your hands and your face. Its easy to believe if you sit in an enclosed space (like your car) after your clothes get germs on them and ya get a draft or heat rises from your natural body heat things rise ..the heat rises out your collar or you turn on the blower in your car and then ya use the cellphone touching everything .. yeah that's probably how to get sick.
It's just bound to be right on the front of your masks's filter..there so close ... it's moist area and you are sucking the air in a crowded place and covid's in the air.. If covid is going to be somewhere where else would it be other than sticking right there on the other side of your mouth and nose.. right there riding on the outside of your mask! Be careful with the outside of your mask as it might have covid on it!
Coming off of clothes theory: This is my personal theory and how I think about it coming off of clothes..its just helps me think about the mechanics of how a germ might ride on something and infect someone..its not actually how it works but it helps me think about it considering it is microscopic.... okay technically our masks shouldn't even work because the virus is so small it would go through the mask and ya need an electron microscope to even see it however what happens is this the germ attaches and rides on a tiny water droplet..like a vapor or mist and binds itself to that droplet which then can't go through the filter of the mask but it then sticks on the outside of the filter/mask and so then the droplet evaporates but the germ stays there on the filter or in the clothing like dry dry burr from sticker bush that gets so dry that it become like dust or a powder form and can be inhaled accidentally or it grips to one's fingers like those wretched tiny glitter things from decorative Christmas cards that get all over everything or even like polystyrene used in packaging; that stuff gives it a strong electrostatic attraction to other objects, causing it to readily stick to things..only we are talking teensy wincee tiny stuff like breathing in dust ya can't see at that stage. So that's how I think about it ...it rides in on a water droplet then clings to clothes and material and can get thrown back up into air like dust that can also make ya sick.
When I was a child my sensitive uncle showed me a replica of what germs can do by simply having me observe dust and lint before the sunlit window… You can see a semblance of this phenomena occurring with the naked eye and apply it to the likelihood of these similar happenings amongst microscopic entities. Go to a sunny window in a warm still room and merely shake a blanket or even your sweater or hair and you will see a universe of dust and lint dance before your very eyes in the light of a sunny warm window floating rising and ebbing riding currents of air and heat. Watch and observe the dust and the lint hover before your mortal eyes… I believe that’s how a microscopic entity can behave and do .. temperature , friction, light affect these tiny particles giving them all a ride off and on surfaces and airborne.
Of course if its on a surface you can kill or dissolve the germ/covid particle with heat, microwave possibly or preferably with antibacterial soap, bit of Clorox, and possibly rubbing alcohol. I guess the germ /covid particle will die on its own after certain matter of hours depending on surface but I say kill it and eradicate the virus/germ particle if its on your clothes body , hair or surfaces you are liable to touch and breathe in especially before taking mask off to bring into your home.
Take care,
The Masked Man
P.S. Note to gv_twiitterpated,
Since this is your thread, If you prefer I can remove my reply and make a thread under my own name for my commentary but I thought your topic was so compelling I couldn't help but reply. Just let me know with a reply if you prefer me to remove my reply or if you think my comments are relevant and useful in your thread you need not reply... its up to you.
